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welcome to the sky zone live right time

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to go I don't believe in that as it's

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the podcast from Australia for science

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and reason and a few other things we can

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mention and here are your hosts to

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return I'm sorry and hello everybody

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here at Sydney's skeptics in the pub and

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welcome to the skeptics on live and it's

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so good to see all you people in three

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dimensions I'm only used to see you a

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little square portrait photos on

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Facebook and you're actually real either

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you're all scamming me and spamming me

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but now you're real humans welcome the

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last time thank you humans the last time

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we did a skeptic zone live was almost

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five years ago believe in a night and

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that was it boo someone could have good

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oh no no no I would you do it more often

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we should do it more often that was at

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tam Australia and that was almost five

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years ago now we have a bigger audience

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full to the brim and embedded embedded

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in the audience like those people who

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were embedded in the war zones it's may

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not hello Mina it's like a large queen

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bed and we're on to our third bottle of

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wine so shut up and get on with the show

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that's a spirit joining us tonight for

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the skeptic zone live of course my

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co-host since the beginning of the

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skeptic zone Stefan psycho who these

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days only has about one in every 132

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episodes but I'm still here yes Stefan

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is the man who came up with the name the

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skeptic zone that was so so quick so

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creative it was just brilliant yeah so

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original now I've just been to the

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states and I brought back some goodies

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for some people Stefan have some

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saltwater taffy do they have any

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medicinal value yes they cure everything

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oh my god thank you it's getting in them

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already also joining us for the skeptic

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zone live it's Joe alabaster Joe come up

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I'm not quite as tall as you have to

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adjust the microphone we can do that

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when you're bit comes and for Joe you've

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we thought we should do a remark without

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harmful thank you Stefan joining us from

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Robinson Heidi and for Heidi what do we

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have from San Francisco lovely

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chocolates oh there we go thank you

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today so thank you very much Heidi also

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it's the president of Australian

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skeptics around together hello here's

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the man who likes to take a chance so

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from Las Vegas a couple of casino dice

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there you go no expense spared for this

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show ladies do I can promise you that oh

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regular skeptic zone reporter mean are

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you got that part from San Francisco I

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be full of there we go it's absolutely

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true negative three waitresses that was

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united states she sent her dr. ray chira

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port which will be hearing a bit later

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report from me steppin but from you from

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crossing out okay over to your engine

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thank you Stefan so he can take a seat

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flown back last week I went to the

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tam in Las Vegas I've been going to Tam

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of the organizing committee for Tammy

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where's Jessica one of the organizers

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join themselves now a lot of people have

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challenge this year because every year

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at town we like to put together a

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challenge for the million dollars this

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digital musical sound better well we did

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demonstration test but still it made the

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from the very wonderful and lovely and

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somebody who I admire very much yes it's

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Joe alabaster come up Joe what we want

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actually see out there now thank you

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always write that in and I have five

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audience was just great hello live

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audience closer to the mic anyway thank

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you for saying hello and hello to those

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warning some of what I'm talking about

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earshot you might want to save this

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pub with children nope he's fine I fell

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Hawkwind and metal filaments encased in

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resin pyramids have in common anyone is

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that you man okay it's party time yes no

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radiation and came across someone who

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translucent pyramids and stones which

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gemstones or polished crystals of some

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organites a little further I was

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hole of strangeness of all going energy

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university of vienna in 1922 wilhelm

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the two became close with Freud being so

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impressed with Reich that he allowed him

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undergraduate unfortunately this

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conference was misplaced right began

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having an affair with a 19 year old

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patient how he continued throughout his

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inhibition one of the ideas that right

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strong link between the character

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repression of memories and emotion was

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the cause of physical illness this being

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a theory which pops up with alarming

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retrieve a repressed memory from his

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patients childhood his goal became to

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trigger a whole body responds with this

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touching free from repression and

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inhibition which he referred to as the

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orgasm reflex a full-body convulsion

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distinct from regular climax that said

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Reich was a great components of regular

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climax to his promotion of underage sex

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emphasis on the importance of orgasm and

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his sexual involvement with his patients

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saw the International psychoanalytic

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Association request his resignation to

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which Reich responded by camping in a

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tent outside their conference while

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wearing a large knife on his belt from

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then on his ideas became even more

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unorthodox he became convinced that

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there must be an additional element

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beyond the physiological which

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contributes to human orgasm and this is

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where all going energy was born or going

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taking its name from the word orgasm

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orgone energy Reich felt was everywhere

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a biological and cosmic energy which was

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linked to libido and potency cancer

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frogs and the aurora borealis he began

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building contraptions to harness orgone

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energy Faraday cages made with plywood

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lined with rock wool and sheet iron

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which you referred to as all going

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accumulators he believed that different

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materials organic and inorganic

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concentrated and reflected orgone energy

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and that his organ accumulators

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concentrated or going energy to levels

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which could be used to treat cancer

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experimented with animals and then using

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it to treat humans living in the US by

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this time in 1940 right wrote to Albert

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Einstein explaining the hope he had for

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his organ accumulators in curing disease

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and outlining a claim that he could use

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his accumulators to raise temperature

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without a heat source amazingly Einstein

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spent 10 days examining an orgone

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accumulator for evidence of its

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temperature raising capacity before

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dismissing it as the result of ambient

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temperature

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gradients demonstrating increasing

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paranoia over the years a break believed

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that einstein's dismissal was part of a

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conspiracy against him right continued

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his pursue love organ therapy applying

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it further in his therapy creating more

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machines notably the cloudbuster a

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series of metal pipes grounded in water

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and pointed at the sky which he believed

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could unblock orgone energy in the

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atmosphere and cause rain his claims

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about curing cancer were investigated by

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the FDA who put an injunction on his

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literature and organ machines with

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reportedly triggered a further

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deterioration in his mental health by

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the mid-1950s he was convinced that UFOs

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were attacking Earth with deadly or

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going radiation and would spend nights

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scanning the skies with his binoculars

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convinced he was fighting an

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interplanetary battle shooting down UFOs

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with his cloud Busters in 1956 and FDA

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inspector posing as a customer requested

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an orgone accumulator Part B sent over

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state lines the part was sent and

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Raikkonen associate were charged with

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contempt of court right person tends to

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two years imprisonment his literature

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ordered to be burnt and his machines

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destroyed psychiatric assessments were

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unfavorable but he said eight months in

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prison where he experienced sudden heart

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failure and diet he was 60 years of age

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now all going theory is made its way

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into popular culture over the years or

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at least popular counterculture william

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s burroughs was convinced that a

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home-built or go and accumulated box

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greatly assisted him during times of

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withdrawal from heroin now if you've

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seen the video to Kate Bush's 1985 song

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cloud busting you might remember Donald

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Sutherland player character who created

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a large metal vaguely steampunky machine

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with four long tubes which he willed up

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onto a hill to the sky and created rain

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Donald Sutherland was portraying well

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he'll drag and Kate Bush's son the song

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based on view of Wilhelm Reich through

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the eyes of his son Peter and then

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there's American new wave band Debose

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energy domes the iconic terrorist rounds

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ziggurats style plastic hats worn by

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band members one of the stories has been

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told about the origin of the empty

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energy dome and there are several is

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that energy dome is recycled the waste

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adore

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an energy lost from the top of the head

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now you know are you going to continue

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to take me very seriously okay it gets

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better space rock group for Queens wrote

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a ten minute song titled orgone

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accumulator and I challenge you to

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listen Spence I did it it was

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life-changing talk to Joanne Joanne and

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barbarella was loosely based on Wilhelm

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right ergon energy was mentioned in the

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BBC comedy peep show when jazz and super

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hands joined a cult and the orgone

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accumulator box was parodied in the

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Woody Allen film sleeper but what's the

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relevance of all going theory today

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there are still the true believers out

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there who penned missives defending

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Wilhelm Reich claimed he was

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assassinated as part of a grand

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conspiracy to suppress the truth and

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there are also people selling products

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based on or going theory in 2000 a

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couple in America who'd been studying

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Reich's work decided that layering metal

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filaments and quartz crystal in

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catalyzed organic fiberglass resin

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created an item which harnessed the

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power of all groan energy much the way

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Reich's accumulators were meant to with

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their layers of plywood rock wool and

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sheet iron at the last moment robert

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festival we went to i came across two

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separate groups selling or going related

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paraphernalia and one was selling a

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variety of organites they weren't

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directly referring to Reich's theories

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but they were going down the

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electromagnetic radiation fear-mongering

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path claiming that their organites could

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protect against damaging negative

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energies with a pang of regret as I

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handed money over to a mind-body wallet

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vendor who wasn't located in the

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cafeteria area I bought myself a

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souvenir haha get to wave it around

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you're welcome to come and have a look

427
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and gaze on the mystique of the

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wonderful organized it was four dollars

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it's tiny it's not one of those fancy

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big ones yeah but apparently is this

431
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fine for a mobile phone or something

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such um yes so all of the sticks and

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photos up on my Twitter account so

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anybody at home fascinated and who

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desperately wants to see the orgonite I

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have the orgonite i will post photos

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online there are also many organized

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selling businesses including those

439
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who've gone further and sell cloud

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busting machines which would make

441
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perfectly serviceable but expensive

442
00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:08,080
trellises for growing beans on if you're

443
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into that kind of thing there are also

444
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organites made specifically for using to

445
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protect against energy emitted by

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computers phones and mobile phone towers

447
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against nuclear energy and against bad

448
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vibes from neighbors it's a little

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strange though it's a lot strange what

450
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am I say edit yes oh no this stranger

451
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the people that I've encountered selling

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items based on orgone energy don't tend

453
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to mention Wilhelm Reich and the kind of

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sexy roots of his theory I haven't had

455
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the audacity yet to ask an organized

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salesperson where orgone energy Theory

457
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came from but perhaps I will one day

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thank you Joe alabaster I was with Joe

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at the mind-body wallet first of all

460
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when she did that now may not how's the

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reaction what's happening there embedded

462
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in the audience I've just been looking

463
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around here and everybody wants a bit of

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orgonite and m23 to people back there

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just went and joined evo do give us a

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ring of your bell make sure you do it

467
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yes you're still there that's great now

468
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folks if you want to in the audience if

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you're on your mobile device please

470
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Twitter photograph and Twitter or just

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Twitter the event use the hashtag

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skeptic zone life if you feel so

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inclined to do that also i forgot to

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mention at the top of the show this is

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episode number 355 355 for the ninth oh

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yes yeah oh and also later we'll be

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throwing to the audience if you've got

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any questions for Joe anyone else about

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something you've heard tonight mm-hmm

480
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there will be questions they're all

481
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someone's put their hand up actually

482
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down just behind you we hang our

483
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question okay okay okay troublemaker

484
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what have you have to say not at all but

485
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I saw a very long time ago a fantastic

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movie called mysteries of the organism

487
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did you see that mysteries of the

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organism I have not seen that but I will

489
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give it a a hard damn what was on an

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homage to the work of psychologists

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Wilhelm Reich she messed with the story

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about Yugoslav girls affair with a

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Russian skater sexual repression social

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systems and the orgone theory explored

495
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it was a fantastic movie but it's a long

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time ago I've got a question what was

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the name of that doctor in the movie

498
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barbarella again her doctor duran duran

499
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i love that bit of the film which saved

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the questions at the end of that's all

501
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right because now we will do that we'll

502
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just move on with the show oh by the way

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folks to help the skeptic zone cover

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costs and things like that and we're

505
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going up to Brisbane there's a range of

506
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merchandise up here for sale so after

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00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:02,000
the show please come and inspect that

508
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and by at all thank you just buy the lot

509
00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:06,710
that would help us a great deal I

510
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and thanks to our friends at the

511
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National Geographic Channel we have a

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DVD copy of the latest cosmos series to

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give away tonight and Maynard is going

514
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to be the one who's going to tell us who

515
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the winner is but we don't know what the

516
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criteria is do we may not it's pretty

517
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hard to be dr. duran duran left to come

518
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up some building we'll have to see but

519
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that's that'll be going up later tonight

520
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now moving on with our next segment of

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the show and I'll play the theme for him

522
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it's a man I have enormous respect for

523
00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:43,010
one of the reporters who's been with a

524
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skeptic zone for many many many years in

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fact and of course the president of

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

527
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okay so the story I bring you today is

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from Israel which is the land that

529
00:23:22,069 --> 00:23:19,079
brought you three monotheistic religions

530
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and one produce major producer of scrap

531
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metal most of which is bend spoons

532
00:23:31,729 --> 00:23:29,039
earlier this year a new reality TV show

533
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the beauty in Israel its name is the

534
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drillers and it's about a group of

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people drilling for oil not much for a

536
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skeptic to hang on to I hear you think

537
00:23:45,499 --> 00:23:42,509
but there's a twist and the name of the

538
00:23:48,139 --> 00:23:45,509
twist is orange Seraph orange elf is a

539
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self-proclaimed psychic and healer who

540
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has a knack for publicity and has made

541
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quite a name for himself in Israel it's

542
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difficult to be sure how many people

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take him seriously but there are a few

544
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stories that will give you a bit of a

545
00:24:02,899 --> 00:23:59,099
feel for what you should be thinking of

546
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him he sued a talk show host for calling

547
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:05,700
him a charlatan in rejecting the suit

548
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,450
the judge said quote every viewer could

549
00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:11,279
form their own nearly obvious

550
00:24:16,849 --> 00:24:15,089
conclusions another story is he Zarif

551
00:24:18,919 --> 00:24:16,859
claimed here that a certain brand of

552
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toilet paper should be taken off the

553
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shelves to prevent and again I quote

554
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:30,109
I'm sure it means something somewhere to

555
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someone that in response to constant

556
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:35,489
mockery buy a TV comedy show in Israel

557
00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:37,129
he threatened to and again I quote

558
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and the particular highlight was when

559
00:24:50,590 --> 00:24:47,240
following a political political victory

560
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:50,600
by a local politician serif claimed

561
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responsibility and demanded to be

562
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pre-selected to the second spot in the

563
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party's list of candidates to Parliament

564
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Parliament and in 2015 Zarif decided to

565
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look for petroleum using his powers now

566
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before I go on to describe the show and

567
00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:07,309
what it has exposed I want to give you a

568
00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:08,990
bit of a short lesson on his Israel's

569
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history with drilling for oil as you

570
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probably aware Israel's neighbors you

571
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know awash with with petroleum but one

572
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of the benefits of being the chosen

573
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people is that God saves you the bother

574
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of perhaps having to deal with the

575
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environmental effects of finding oil so

576
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while in the 67 years since Israel was

577
00:25:34,299 --> 00:25:31,880
established there has been numerous

578
00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:34,309
attempts to find oil no one found

579
00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:35,960
anything that would make much of a

580
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difference of Israel's economy and very

581
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:40,070
few have very few drillings have been

582
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:42,890
commercially successful so for sorry to

583
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suggest he could find all would you

584
00:25:49,450 --> 00:25:48,049
would need to be either deluded or not

585
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:49,460
care at all about how you would look

586
00:25:53,890 --> 00:25:51,110
when he doesn't find any well and my

587
00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:53,900
suspicion is that he's probably both so

588
00:25:58,659 --> 00:25:56,390
onto the show itself so in the first

589
00:26:01,090 --> 00:25:58,669
episode so if drives around in a black

590
00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:01,100
van what else picking up his

591
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,740
collaborators those comprise a singer

592
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,320
and actor am I not a minor celebrity

593
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:08,840
from another reality TV show and author

594
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and journalist who is known for his

595
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:11,809
right right-wing views big thing in

596
00:26:16,539 --> 00:26:14,320
Israel right wing left wing thing and

597
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:16,549
another journalist who's well known for

598
00:26:21,130 --> 00:26:18,890
his left-wing views clearly the were

599
00:26:22,659 --> 00:26:21,140
expecting some conflict there together

600
00:26:24,490 --> 00:26:22,669
they drive to a beautiful ranch out in

601
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the desert where zareff asks them as a

602
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mark of faith in his abilities to

603
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,059
contribute one hundred thousand shekels

604
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which is about 35 thousand dollars

605
00:26:38,530 --> 00:26:33,890
towards the effort they were not

606
00:26:40,570 --> 00:26:38,540
expecting that they all do with one of

607
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:40,580
them hesitating for one day while he

608
00:26:46,180 --> 00:26:44,690
consults his guru so you want to be you

609
00:26:48,210 --> 00:26:46,190
know do something you know the cautious

610
00:26:50,980 --> 00:26:48,220
thing and actually look into it first

611
00:26:52,540 --> 00:26:50,990
they then have a geology ologist

612
00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:52,550
explained to them how petroleum was

613
00:26:55,779 --> 00:26:55,100
created leading to a huge debate about

614
00:26:58,060 --> 00:26:55,789
the age of

615
00:27:00,489 --> 00:26:58,070
earth and an angry dead sorry

616
00:27:02,769 --> 00:27:00,499
grandfather blowing the ease of the

617
00:27:05,259 --> 00:27:02,779
geologist was using for the presentation

618
00:27:07,479 --> 00:27:05,269
it's never happened to that geologist

619
00:27:11,499 --> 00:27:07,489
before he admitted that his his easel

620
00:27:13,180 --> 00:27:11,509
never never blew up the episode ends

621
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,190
with the first drilling resulting in a

622
00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:14,960
powerful stream of black fluid erupting

623
00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:17,929
well into the air unfortunately the team

624
00:27:27,099 --> 00:27:24,440
the team has ruptured a serves bike in

625
00:27:29,619 --> 00:27:27,109
episode 2 so if meets a politician to

626
00:27:32,349 --> 00:27:29,629
try to get a state financial support for

627
00:27:35,019 --> 00:27:32,359
the venture much to the bed much to the

628
00:27:37,810 --> 00:27:35,029
ire of his Cohen investors he takes a

629
00:27:40,029 --> 00:27:37,820
helicopter and you know what I him know

630
00:27:43,149 --> 00:27:40,039
how I got that leads right not to

631
00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:43,159
geelong but to Jerusalem and his reason

632
00:27:48,339 --> 00:27:46,220
is why can't he take abnormal flight he

633
00:27:49,869 --> 00:27:48,349
can't fly too high because the spirits

634
00:27:55,749 --> 00:27:49,879
don't like it when he gets to their

635
00:27:59,799 --> 00:27:55,759
level in episode 3 japanese consultant

636
00:28:02,049 --> 00:27:59,809
in a kimono it's very weird is high to

637
00:28:03,820 --> 00:28:02,059
create the right ambience for the reefs

638
00:28:07,659 --> 00:28:03,830
powers she put all kinds of gongs and

639
00:28:09,460 --> 00:28:07,669
things it there's no explanation at any

640
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:09,470
point how it makes a difference just

641
00:28:14,409 --> 00:28:12,529
just suppose general weakness in episode

642
00:28:16,239 --> 00:28:14,419
4 in an uncharacteristic act of

643
00:28:19,299 --> 00:28:16,249
rationality the team dies on

644
00:28:21,609 --> 00:28:19,309
organizational consultant unfortunately

645
00:28:23,649 --> 00:28:21,619
they follow it up by deciding to drill

646
00:28:26,409 --> 00:28:23,659
in Tel Aviv's equivalent of the corner

647
00:28:29,049 --> 00:28:26,419
of george and market streets hahaha so

648
00:28:32,379 --> 00:28:29,059
major commercial hub they decide that's

649
00:28:34,269 --> 00:28:32,389
where they're going to drill in episodes

650
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:34,279
5 and 6 the team arranged the drilling

651
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:35,809
in tel aviv culminating in a violent

652
00:28:39,999 --> 00:28:38,720
arrest by police once again this doesn't

653
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:40,009
sound like very interesting for a

654
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:42,049
skeptic but all the while or answer if

655
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,210
keeps making proclamations about what

656
00:28:48,009 --> 00:28:46,399
his guides are telling him waves his

657
00:28:50,169 --> 00:28:48,019
fingers in this odd way that i can't

658
00:28:53,049 --> 00:28:50,179
really explain for a podcast oh it's

659
00:28:54,729 --> 00:28:53,059
just just he does this thing like that

660
00:28:56,739 --> 00:28:54,739
in the area just waves his fingers in

661
00:28:58,749 --> 00:28:56,749
the end he says it's like in a like an

662
00:29:02,019 --> 00:28:58,759
aerial that's how he that she connects

663
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:02,029
to the spirits and overall he's just

664
00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:04,849
being very weird so so there it's quite

665
00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:08,299
compelling viewing actually so we now

666
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:08,980
have to

667
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:11,080
seven and I'm not going to even talk

668
00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:12,970
about episode 7 because really nothing

669
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:14,260
much happens on the episode 7 they

670
00:29:21,570 --> 00:29:17,710
actually go on on an oil rig in the in

671
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,580
the in the Mediterranean but nothing

672
00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:23,679
interesting from our perspective so well

673
00:29:26,970 --> 00:29:25,150
the first few episodes look like they've

674
00:29:30,810 --> 00:29:26,980
been subject to the heavy editing that

675
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,820
you'd expect of a reality show the x

676
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:32,799
episodes three or four it becomes quite

677
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:34,510
clear that the whole thing is more

678
00:29:39,450 --> 00:29:37,809
heavily scripted than edited that raises

679
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:39,460
a few questions about the purpose of the

680
00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:42,610
show and of presenting it as reality but

681
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:44,620
to me the most interesting question is

682
00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:46,809
the purpose of orange reef involvement

683
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:48,940
and how it is viewed by the few people

684
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:51,250
in israel who have yet to decide or form

685
00:29:57,930 --> 00:29:53,530
an opinion on whether he has real powers

686
00:30:00,330 --> 00:29:57,940
or is a complete crackpot the show

687
00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:00,340
clearly exploits his weird claims and

688
00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:02,980
the gestures and took to the hilt like

689
00:30:07,289 --> 00:30:04,540
everything he does i there's lots of

690
00:30:09,890 --> 00:30:07,299
close-ups and lots of focus on his

691
00:30:12,030 --> 00:30:09,900
movements and his weird proclamations

692
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:12,040
but whether that makes it more

693
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:14,110
believable or less believable or just

694
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:15,850
very amusing to the audience that

695
00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:19,570
remains an open question so a few years

696
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:22,840
ago Corey Geller the aforementioned

697
00:30:28,530 --> 00:30:26,110
spoon bender had a TV show in Israel

698
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:28,540
called the successor where he was trying

699
00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:32,530
to find the next one trick pony and

700
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:35,320
james randi once said that the most

701
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:37,690
dangerous place in the world is standing

702
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:42,250
between irregular and a TV camera so at

703
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:45,130
least in one respect Laura Geller has

704
00:30:59,920 --> 00:30:56,260
thank you very much a run together now

705
00:31:01,210 --> 00:30:59,930
we have in the show if people listen to

706
00:31:03,130 --> 00:31:01,220
the skipping zone know that we have

707
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:03,140
regular little breaks through the show

708
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:05,900
to promote other skeptical events and

709
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:07,550
organization and people all around the

710
00:31:13,630 --> 00:31:11,110
world we have ads from Norway from

711
00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:13,640
Hungary yes thank you from Germany from

712
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:15,140
somebody listens to the show how about

713
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:18,290
that some from all around so for the

714
00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:20,330
benefit of those people listening at

715
00:31:24,430 --> 00:31:23,060
home from Russia thank you yes we're

716
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:24,440
going to have a little commercial break

717
00:31:28,690 --> 00:31:26,570
now and coming back out of the break

718
00:31:44,410 --> 00:31:28,700
we're going to continue with dr. ray she

719
00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:44,420
reports astronomy cast it takes a fact

720
00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:46,430
space journey through the cosmos as it

721
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,500
offers listeners weekly discussions on

722
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:51,200
astronomical topics ranging from planets

723
00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:54,170
to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

724
00:31:57,370 --> 00:31:56,390
Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela

725
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,380
gave southern illinois university

726
00:32:01,930 --> 00:32:00,080
edwardsville this show brings the

727
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:01,940
questions of an avid astronomy lover

728
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:04,400
directly to an astronomer together

729
00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:06,470
Fraser and I explore what is known and

730
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:08,030
being discovered about the universe

731
00:32:12,850 --> 00:32:10,760
around us join us each week as we take a

732
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:12,860
fax space journey through the cosmos at

733
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:26,050
welcome to a week in science from our

734
00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:28,250
aisles bringing either side so you need

735
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:31,280
to know when winter comes I crank up the

736
00:32:36,370 --> 00:32:33,890
heat and wrap myself in warm clothes but

737
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:36,380
men don't seem to do the same so why is

738
00:32:46,570 --> 00:32:43,990
one theory is that women have a higher

739
00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:46,580
core body temperature than men this

740
00:32:50,650 --> 00:32:48,350
would create a bigger difference between

741
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,660
our internal temperature and the outside

742
00:32:55,450 --> 00:32:52,880
ambient temperature which makes us more

743
00:32:57,580 --> 00:32:55,460
sensitive to the cold but scientific

744
00:32:59,260 --> 00:32:57,590
evidence for this is a bit shaky with

745
00:33:02,050 --> 00:32:59,270
some studies finding a difference and

746
00:33:03,610 --> 00:33:02,060
others not overall it seems that women

747
00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:03,620
could have a slightly higher core

748
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:05,540
temperature but we're only talking about

749
00:33:09,940 --> 00:33:07,910
point two degrees difference when you

750
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:09,950
take into account other factors that

751
00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:12,170
change how people feel the cold like age

752
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:15,080
Fitness hunger and tiredness this

753
00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:19,820
difference is really insignificant so if

754
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:21,860
core body temperature is an effector

755
00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:24,050
then what's happening well it turns out

756
00:33:28,060 --> 00:33:25,880
that women have a lower skin temperature

757
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:28,070
than men meaning that we feel the cold

758
00:33:32,860 --> 00:33:30,530
more women tend to have a higher skin

759
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:32,870
surface area to volume ratio because

760
00:33:37,540 --> 00:33:35,750
we're generally smaller overall to stop

761
00:33:39,460 --> 00:33:37,550
too much heat loss through this surface

762
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,470
area we have a lower flow of blood to

763
00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:41,840
the skin leading to a lower skin

764
00:33:45,910 --> 00:33:43,940
temperature this means that it takes a

765
00:33:47,770 --> 00:33:45,920
much smaller drop in temperature for our

766
00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:47,780
skin sensors to detect that we're

767
00:33:53,170 --> 00:33:50,780
feeling cold women's bodies also seem to

768
00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:53,180
be better at moving warm blood away from

769
00:33:58,060 --> 00:33:55,220
our extremities to protect internal

770
00:34:00,550 --> 00:33:58,070
organs that's why our hands and feet can

771
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:00,560
be three degrees cooler than men's and

772
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,650
it seems counterintuitive but our extra

773
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,080
layers of fat actually insulate our skin

774
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:08,000
from our warm core creating the

775
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,460
sensation of coldness that's also why

776
00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:12,560
larger people tend to feel the cold more

777
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:15,320
and now for fast facts about our body

778
00:34:20,170 --> 00:34:17,530
temperatures

779
00:34:22,630 --> 00:34:20,180
women need to get much hotter than men

780
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,640
before they start to sweat and even then

781
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:24,560
they sweat much less which is probably

782
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:27,530
linked to testosterone levels your body

783
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,570
temperature cycles up and down by a

784
00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:31,760
degree or so throughout the day being

785
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:33,710
lowest a couple of hours before you wake

786
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:36,320
up and highest in the late afternoon our

787
00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:39,050
definition of a normal temperature came

788
00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:42,230
in 1851 from German physician Calvin

789
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:44,590
delec who took armpit readings from

790
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:47,810
25,000 patients and pregnancy and

791
00:34:51,910 --> 00:34:50,090
hormonal contraceptives can increase a

792
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:51,920
woman's core temperature by one degree

793
00:34:58,570 --> 00:34:56,750
Celsius that's it for this week in

794
00:35:00,670 --> 00:34:58,580
science if you want to find out more

795
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:00,680
about why women are cool and men are hot

796
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:04,490
go to the RAS website alright aus org

797
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:07,010
dot a you plus don't forget to follow us

798
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:09,260
on twitter at arielle's and like us on

799
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:11,810
facebook i'm karen groom and we'll catch

800
00:35:30,030 --> 00:35:28,650
okay thank you very much so when the

801
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:30,040
podcast comes out that'll be the

802
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:32,200
opportunity for me to run a week in

803
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:33,850
science from the Royal Institution of

804
00:35:37,830 --> 00:35:35,830
Australia which I do every week and a

805
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,840
little ad break but now we'll continue

806
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:39,520
with the skeptic zone live with a

807
00:35:45,630 --> 00:35:43,140
pre-recording sent in by our colleague

808
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:45,640
dr. rachy and this is dr. Rachel report

809
00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:47,050
so you should be able to hear it over

810
00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:56,140
the system now it's time for dr. Rachel

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00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:01,480
reports with dr. Rachel Dunlop well

812
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:03,670
hello listeners this is dr. Rachel

813
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:05,890
reports coming to you from Jackson Hole

814
00:36:11,610 --> 00:36:09,070
in Wyoming in the US of A and a long

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00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:11,620
time no speaky hello to everyone at

816
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:14,560
skeptics in the pub in Sydney and I have

817
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:16,210
been on a very long break from the

818
00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:17,890
skeptic zone and there are reasons for

819
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:19,720
that one of them includes the fact that

820
00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:23,260
i'm now in Jackson Wyoming and working

821
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:25,870
on a project over here which is an

822
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:27,280
extension of what I was doing in

823
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:29,410
Australia and but I've been pretty busy

824
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,650
with science lately and also I've been

825
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:34,480
getting involved in a lot of science

826
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:37,450
communication and today I want to talk

827
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:38,950
to you a little bit about science

828
00:36:42,930 --> 00:36:40,750
communication because i think it's an

829
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:42,940
extremely important part of science and

830
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:45,430
i'm going to tell you why that is and

831
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:47,530
there's been plenty of talk lately about

832
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:49,750
science communication and in particular

833
00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:52,210
who should do it and should there be

834
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:54,580
rewarded for their efforts now this

835
00:36:59,730 --> 00:36:56,370
discussion started when two opposing

836
00:37:02,040 --> 00:36:59,740
viewpoints were posed regarding metrics

837
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,050
or measuring science communication if

838
00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:05,200
you like and one commentator suggested

839
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:06,940
that science communication should be

840
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:09,370
considered in official measurements for

841
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:11,710
academics so not just papers that they

842
00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:13,660
publish but also things that they may

843
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:15,880
publish of a science communication major

844
00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:18,730
and another commentator who strongly

845
00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:20,740
disagreed with this who who thought the

846
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:22,780
status quo should remain the performance

847
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,030
should only be measured by peer review

848
00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:28,480
and the amount of papers they publish so

849
00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:30,790
this is a perpetual argument for

850
00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:32,500
scientists who do science communication

851
00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:35,800
and it generally gets distilled down to

852
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:38,680
the idea that if you for scientists to

853
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:41,050
do science communication it distracts

854
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:42,700
them from their research and this also

855
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:45,520
risks attracting substandard researchers

856
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:48,160
to the field now I disagree with this

857
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:49,570
assessment as you can probably imagine

858
00:37:54,330 --> 00:37:51,720
and I'll go into this a little bit later

859
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:54,340
but nevertheless this is an important

860
00:37:58,170 --> 00:37:56,320
discussion because in the world of

861
00:38:02,160 --> 00:37:58,180
academic science careers are won and

862
00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:02,170
lost on publish or perish so grants and

863
00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:04,750
promotions are awarded based on how well

864
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:07,000
you perform in this area and this

865
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,010
essentially constitutes how many papers

866
00:38:13,770 --> 00:38:10,960
you've published how important the

867
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:13,780
journals you publish in our and wherein

868
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:16,030
the author lists your name false so if

869
00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:17,470
you're the first author or the last

870
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:20,550
author you get more marks for that and

871
00:38:25,350 --> 00:38:23,290
this was once the only way to gain

872
00:38:28,530 --> 00:38:25,360
traction of the academic ladder in other

873
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:28,540
words to get promotions etc but times

874
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:31,180
they are a-changin as they say and this

875
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,250
includes coming out from behind the

876
00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:35,680
paywall of scientific publishing to talk

877
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:38,680
about your work to the public so one of

878
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:40,420
the reasons why I think we should be

879
00:38:44,430 --> 00:38:41,830
doing science communication as

880
00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:44,440
scientists is because not unlike other

881
00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:47,190
vocations such as medicine or law or

882
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:49,780
others science operates in another

883
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,150
language and one that is foreign to a

884
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:54,880
reasonable person so the publication's

885
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:57,010
in science are complex convoluted and

886
00:39:01,770 --> 00:38:59,290
verging on impenetrable in some cases

887
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,780
not only because they are frequently

888
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:04,000
behind a paywall but they're written in

889
00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:07,510
jargon and use obscure acronyms so

890
00:39:12,570 --> 00:39:10,300
evidence suggests now that even other

891
00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:12,580
researchers don't read their peers work

892
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,950
and even when they cite their papers

893
00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:16,480
that is they reference them within a

894
00:39:21,210 --> 00:39:19,000
publication it has been shown they've

895
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:21,220
not necessarily read the entire paper

896
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:23,650
they may have read the abstract which is

897
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:25,570
the summary but not the rest of the

898
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,010
paper and this is really critical

899
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:29,680
because abstracts often misrepresent the

900
00:39:36,510 --> 00:39:33,310
findings in the body of the paper so

901
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:36,520
here we have a situation where a no one

902
00:39:40,530 --> 00:39:38,760
sometimes not even other scientists

903
00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:40,540
understand what their peers are

904
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:43,600
jabbering on about and be even if you

905
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:45,790
want to try to decipher a scientific

906
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:47,950
publication as a member of the public

907
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:49,050
you have to pay our

908
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:51,960
publishing company to read it and see

909
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:54,300
even other scientists can't be bothered

910
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:56,850
reading their colleagues work so all up

911
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:00,060
not a great situation so in my opinion

912
00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:03,660
there are several problems with this if

913
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:06,270
scientists are receiving public funds to

914
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:08,370
do research then we should be required

915
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:10,110
to tell people what we have done with

916
00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:12,900
their cash beavering away in a basement

917
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:15,150
lab and pleading mad scientist is not

918
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:17,940
acceptable anymore and only serves to

919
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:21,390
perpetuate myths about scientists too

920
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:24,030
and this is particularly important i

921
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:26,940
think we cannot expect support from the

922
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:30,660
public if we don't engage with them so

923
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:32,930
consider this with respect to funding as

924
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:35,250
far as the government is concerned

925
00:40:40,070 --> 00:40:37,800
particularly in australia scientists as

926
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:40,080
a group are low-hanging fruit we are not

927
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:42,900
strongly root union represented we are

928
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:44,820
not vocal and the public does not

929
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:47,460
universally loved us you don't see

930
00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:49,050
people marching on the streets in our

931
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:50,550
defense when the government cuts

932
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:52,910
millions from the CSIRO budget and

933
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:55,890
consider that the current government did

934
00:41:00,800 --> 00:40:58,140
not even appoint a science minister when

935
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:00,810
they came into power eventually after

936
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:02,490
pressure from the scientific community

937
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:05,340
and a cabinet reshuffle over 12 months

938
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,610
later they appointed somebody indeed

939
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,680
when we do complain as scientists about

940
00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:12,720
job losses and budget cuts we're

941
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:14,430
referred to by government ministers as

942
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,490
precious petals but there have been

943
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:19,680
times when public support for science

944
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:21,810
has been very high and the results have

945
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:24,630
been very positive so a number of years

946
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:26,520
ago there was a campaign started by

947
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:28,920
scientists from the weihai institute in

948
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,900
melbourne called discoveries needs

949
00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:33,000
dollars and this was a grassroots

950
00:41:37,610 --> 00:41:35,550
campaign designed to protest slated cuts

951
00:41:42,110 --> 00:41:37,620
to the science budget leading up to the

952
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:42,120
2011 budget now thousands of scientists

953
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:44,250
in this case from across the country did

954
00:41:48,830 --> 00:41:45,810
take to the streets in their lab coats

955
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:48,840
with placards and signs and protested in

956
00:41:52,850 --> 00:41:50,820
an effort to convince the government and

957
00:41:54,910 --> 00:41:52,860
the public that research funding is

958
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:54,920
really important and it shouldn't be cut

959
00:42:00,110 --> 00:41:57,330
now what made this campaign so

960
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:00,120
compelling and successful was the stream

961
00:42:04,370 --> 00:42:02,670
of people from the general public who

962
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:04,380
ducked up to talk about how they'd been

963
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:07,500
helped by science-based medicine it was

964
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:09,810
personal it was compelling and people

965
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:12,270
could relate to it it resonated with the

966
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:14,850
public who saw no sense in cutting

967
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:16,980
medical research funding when the return

968
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:20,160
on investment is so high the budget cuts

969
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:23,790
were eventually reversed so this is a

970
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:26,460
great case study for the power of

971
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,170
science communication but this was in

972
00:42:34,940 --> 00:42:31,680
2011 and what has happened since well

973
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,950
not much as is their right and their

974
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:37,200
responsibility most scientists return to

975
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:38,700
their benches and forgot all about it

976
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:42,930
but they shouldn't and here's why if we

977
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:45,960
as scientists don't talk about science

978
00:42:50,330 --> 00:42:48,330
don't participate in discussions in the

979
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:50,340
media don't write blogs and articles

980
00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:53,880
don't translate these complex concepts

981
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:56,630
into the simple then guess what other

982
00:43:01,810 --> 00:42:59,460
people will this includes people who

983
00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:01,820
don't necessarily understand science or

984
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:04,740
those whose intention is to deliberately

985
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:07,980
distort it for their own gain consider

986
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:10,800
people like Pete Evans Bell Gibson

987
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:13,260
Jessica ainscough Mike Adams dr. mercola

988
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:16,710
dr. odds the list goes on and compared

989
00:43:20,330 --> 00:43:18,210
to the number of people doing a poor job

990
00:43:23,330 --> 00:43:20,340
of representing science there are only a

991
00:43:26,330 --> 00:43:23,340
handful sticking up for it so this is

992
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:26,340
our fault and our responsibility and as

993
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:28,170
academic scientists we should be

994
00:43:32,780 --> 00:43:30,060
rewarded for the science communication

995
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:32,790
that we do now I don't have the answer

996
00:43:37,340 --> 00:43:34,920
for how to best design a system to

997
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:37,350
measure science communication output but

998
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:39,930
I absolutely think that it should be and

999
00:43:45,140 --> 00:43:42,420
I'm glad this discussion is now taking

1000
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:45,150
place among scientists because if we

1001
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:47,570
don't stick up for science then who will

1002
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:49,890
you can find the blog version of this

1003
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:52,020
report on the official website of the

1004
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:54,690
skeptics own podcast skeptics book calm

1005
00:43:59,720 --> 00:43:57,270
and this has been dr. Richie and I

1006
00:44:02,480 --> 00:43:59,730
promise I'll try not to have such a big

1007
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:02,490
gap between reports in future but as I

1008
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:04,680
said I have been pretty busy in Jackson

1009
00:44:08,359 --> 00:44:07,650
Wyoming and until next time this has

1010
00:44:18,859 --> 00:44:08,369
been

1011
00:44:21,019 --> 00:44:18,869
heu reports that was great thank you for

1012
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:21,029
to dr. Rachel all the way over there in

1013
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:23,430
Wyoming doing her research took it out

1014
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:29,700
sometime too hmm was it make America is

1015
00:44:36,739 --> 00:44:34,650
Miami the geography fill me in on my for

1016
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:36,749
American geography Rocky Mountain work

1017
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:40,140
for ugly mountains northwest is an e

1018
00:44:47,769 --> 00:44:44,430
colorado tanah rata staff of montana all

1019
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:47,779
right white hold my car well not now

1020
00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:55,170
it's some of their who's heard of google

1021
00:45:00,980 --> 00:44:59,579
maps all right now folks if on your

1022
00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:00,990
table you'll find some information

1023
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:03,630
that's for you to eat oh is that man out

1024
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:05,700
again no he's still embedded in the

1025
00:45:10,999 --> 00:45:08,609
audience couldn't get much more embedded

1026
00:45:13,819 --> 00:45:11,009
ah that was my house someone dinged me

1027
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:13,829
Oh again you'll have some information on

1028
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,960
your desk there on your table we have

1029
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:18,119
some copies of the skeptic magazine at

1030
00:45:20,539 --> 00:45:19,200
the front here if you're not a

1031
00:45:23,059 --> 00:45:20,549
subscriber and you'd like to have a

1032
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:23,069
coffee to peruse by all means come up we

1033
00:45:26,779 --> 00:45:25,380
have some spare copies for you it's

1034
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:26,789
their one of the oldest skeptical

1035
00:45:35,569 --> 00:45:28,890
journals in Australia from Australian

1036
00:45:37,339 --> 00:45:35,579
skeptics now our next reporter an extra

1037
00:45:39,309 --> 00:45:37,349
Porter was originally going to appear

1038
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:39,319
with this via Skype on the video screen

1039
00:45:43,759 --> 00:45:42,119
but out of the blue she decided to fly

1040
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:43,769
down to be with us here in person

1041
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:45,720
tonight you have on your tables a little

1042
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,630
flyer here from the Northern Rivers

1043
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:49,920
vaccination supporters a group that I

1044
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,650
support and I admire very much all the

1045
00:46:10,630 --> 00:45:54,660
way from the north coast it's Heidi

1046
00:46:30,609 --> 00:46:14,630
it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

1047
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:39,589
thank you hello ah I struggled with what

1048
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:41,510
I was going to talk about tonight but

1049
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,710
since I've come down from the Northern

1050
00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:46,079
Rivers I thought well and I'm not sure

1051
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:48,990
how many people here have visited in and

1052
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:52,710
around byron bay and and surrounds yeah

1053
00:46:58,099 --> 00:46:55,650
so that's kind of where i live in the

1054
00:47:00,440 --> 00:46:58,109
barn bay hinterland up there so i

1055
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:00,450
thought i'd talk a little bit about what

1056
00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:03,900
it's like to live up there when you are

1057
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:10,230
skeptically inclined I've spoken a

1058
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:12,450
little bit about this before on the

1059
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:14,730
skeptic zone you may or may not know

1060
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:16,770
that I'm one of the administrators of

1061
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:18,810
the facebook page and group the Northern

1062
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:21,720
Rivers vaccination supporters and an

1063
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:23,880
Richard's been kind enough to to let me

1064
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:25,710
talk about our group quite a lot on the

1065
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:30,930
podcast so when I when I first realized

1066
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:33,480
that I'd moved to one of Australia's

1067
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:37,440
lowest areas of vaccination and if you

1068
00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:39,180
don't already know Mullen bimbi has

1069
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,670
Australia's lowest rate at under just

1070
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:43,500
under fifty percent of five year olds

1071
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:46,980
that are fully vaccinated which is the

1072
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:52,740
equivalent of South Sudan anyway when I

1073
00:47:55,339 --> 00:47:53,970
first realized that because I didn't

1074
00:47:57,859 --> 00:47:55,349
know when I when I moved there it was

1075
00:48:03,200 --> 00:47:57,869
only when I got pregnant and started to

1076
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:03,210
to to to realize that where I had moved

1077
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:06,060
and I was I was worried I was worried

1078
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:10,260
for me and my babies I was angry but

1079
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:13,140
most of all i think i was confused as to

1080
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:16,530
why people didn't accept the science

1081
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:20,280
behind vaccination but I was scared of

1082
00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:23,730
speaking out about it because I didn't

1083
00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:25,470
want to be ostracized in this community

1084
00:48:33,810 --> 00:48:28,300
that we had just moved to and that would

1085
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:33,820
to raise our children in so that that

1086
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:37,390
realization of where I'd moved to led me

1087
00:48:41,010 --> 00:48:39,130
to start looking at everything else you

1088
00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:41,020
know in a more evidence-based way I

1089
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:45,220
suppose I started noticing just how much

1090
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:49,270
whew was actually surrounding me and how

1091
00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:52,090
the denial of science in general was so

1092
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:55,420
prolific in the area except for one

1093
00:49:01,170 --> 00:48:57,850
glaring exception the science of climate

1094
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:01,180
change Northern Rivers residents appear

1095
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:05,560
to accept that and the science and

1096
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:07,210
technology that allows them their cars

1097
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:09,960
their computers and their smartphones I

1098
00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:12,250
guess one might say there's a certain

1099
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:14,350
amount of cherry-picking of the science

1100
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:19,150
I have a paramedic friend up in the

1101
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:22,210
region that has gone to families and had

1102
00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:23,830
to take their babies to hospital with

1103
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,350
whooping cough it's a standard question

1104
00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:28,720
when paramedics treat children to ask if

1105
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,070
the child is up to date with their

1106
00:49:35,790 --> 00:49:33,040
vaccinations a couple of times these

1107
00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:35,800
families that she attended have whilst

1108
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:38,560
smoking a joint proudly proclaims that

1109
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:40,410
they are conscientious objectors

1110
00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:47,070
vaccinations always been a no-brainer

1111
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:49,720
for me I've traveled extensively and

1112
00:49:55,350 --> 00:49:51,850
being loaded up with just about every

1113
00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:55,360
conceivable vaccine available and I'm

1114
00:49:59,850 --> 00:49:57,730
grateful to Big Pharma for the

1115
00:50:02,070 --> 00:49:59,860
protection they've given me in countries

1116
00:50:06,270 --> 00:50:02,080
like South East Asia South America

1117
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:06,280
Central America but also in my hometown

1118
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:09,970
of mullumbimby and yep we need

1119
00:50:13,530 --> 00:50:11,890
protection perhaps more than some of

1120
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:13,540
those developing countries that I

1121
00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:16,960
mentioned earlier being so close to

1122
00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:20,680
byron bay we're about 1.7 million

1123
00:50:26,130 --> 00:50:23,560
tourists many of them backpackers visit

1124
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:26,140
every year it's only going to take one

1125
00:50:31,650 --> 00:50:28,450
person who's picked up measles say from

1126
00:50:35,820 --> 00:50:31,660
barley and then come holiday environme

1127
00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:35,830
to start an epidemic next time you're in

1128
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:38,020
the Northern Rivers region and you've

1129
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:39,610
had your booster shots

1130
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:42,410
take a walk down the main streets of

1131
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:45,680
mullum mb or nimbin for a skeptic it's a

1132
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:49,310
veritable smorgasbord of whoo it's like

1133
00:50:56,110 --> 00:50:51,650
permanently living in a mind-body wallet

1134
00:50:57,390 --> 00:50:56,120
festival you'll see notice boards with

1135
00:51:00,820 --> 00:50:57,400
advertisements for things like

1136
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:00,830
craniosacral healing chakra balancing

1137
00:51:07,210 --> 00:51:03,890
many many clairvoyants and psychic

1138
00:51:11,590 --> 00:51:07,220
mediums Reiki practitioners spiritual

1139
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:11,600
duelers and so on stalls at local market

1140
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,750
selling healing crystals and DVDs

1141
00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:16,400
showing you how to protect yourself from

1142
00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:18,920
the harmful substances contained in chem

1143
00:51:26,430 --> 00:51:22,070
trails which you and I may also know as

1144
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:26,440
contrails posters which read look up

1145
00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:30,110
treason in the sky are placed high up on

1146
00:51:35,470 --> 00:51:33,070
power poles and trees on major roads I'm

1147
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:35,480
sure the people that place in there have

1148
00:51:39,010 --> 00:51:36,620
overlooked the fact that they are

1149
00:51:40,510 --> 00:51:39,020
potentially killing the trees whilst

1150
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:40,520
promoting their concern for the

1151
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:42,110
environment they mail them into the

1152
00:51:48,430 --> 00:51:46,070
trees but it's not uncommon to also see

1153
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:48,440
people driving clapped-out dachshunds

1154
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:50,450
and and the like with black smoke

1155
00:51:54,670 --> 00:51:52,910
billowing from the exhaust and bumper

1156
00:51:59,260 --> 00:51:54,680
stickers lamenting the destruction of

1157
00:52:08,350 --> 00:51:59,270
rainforests if you don't believe me

1158
00:52:11,890 --> 00:52:08,360
about the chem trail signs I've always

1159
00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:11,900
had it sure how this is going to go on

1160
00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:12,950
the podcast

1161
00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:28,220
I couldn't read your camera reason to

1162
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:36,440
the school I somehow procured this this

1163
00:52:45,579 --> 00:52:43,430
one yesterday for Joe years otay ok I've

1164
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:45,589
been promising you i procured this one

1165
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,250
the day before for richard and i thought

1166
00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:54,800
the president of australian skeptics

1167
00:53:02,260 --> 00:52:57,950
must also have one please so this is for

1168
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:02,270
a run ah he's gone there is is this for

1169
00:53:10,780 --> 00:53:05,570
you around that's really hot rod ah yes

1170
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:10,790
of course thank you so for podcast

1171
00:53:17,050 --> 00:53:13,570
listeners these posters say look up

1172
00:53:19,870 --> 00:53:17,060
treason in the sky geoengineering

1173
00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:19,880
climate change chemtrails dumping poison

1174
00:53:25,809 --> 00:53:23,560
from planes contact your local member

1175
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:25,819
local members on the back there for you

1176
00:53:38,370 --> 00:53:29,210
to call flirt room exactly poor old

1177
00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:38,380
Janelle Saffin oh yes okay where was I

1178
00:53:43,329 --> 00:53:41,540
so what's what else about living in the

1179
00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:43,339
northern rivers you can be at a school

1180
00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:45,950
event or a kid's birthday party and be

1181
00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:48,470
having a lovely perfectly normal

1182
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:51,230
conversation with people when one will

1183
00:53:58,059 --> 00:53:54,890
say well I have to go to my Reiki /

1184
00:54:01,329 --> 00:53:58,069
magnetic healing / by our resonance

1185
00:54:02,589 --> 00:54:01,339
healing session now or I have an

1186
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:02,599
appointment to get my horse at

1187
00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:06,410
chiropractic adjustment oh no really hey

1188
00:54:13,059 --> 00:54:10,550
or I've just had my property balanced

1189
00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:13,069
we've been told where the best energy is

1190
00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:16,760
to build our new house just last week I

1191
00:54:19,390 --> 00:54:17,790
was in a tan

1192
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:19,400
his house he was a keen amateur

1193
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:22,530
astronomer and retired scientist he has

1194
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:24,150
an observatory set up in his backyard

1195
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:26,730
with computer operated telescopes

1196
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,130
amazing stuff you can imagine how

1197
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:32,160
excited I was I got to see the rings of

1198
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:34,770
Saturn and Titan from a backyard in the

1199
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:37,890
northern rivers but there he was dealing

1200
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:39,780
with one of the guests who was a moon

1201
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:44,430
landing denial it's normal in the

1202
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:46,890
northern rivers to use homeopathy for

1203
00:54:52,070 --> 00:54:49,410
everything including as a replacement

1204
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:52,080
for vaccinations it's what's known as

1205
00:54:57,710 --> 00:54:55,140
homeo prophylaxis and by many it's seen

1206
00:55:03,470 --> 00:54:57,720
as a legitimate form of protection for

1207
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:03,480
from infectious diseases some skeptics

1208
00:55:07,790 --> 00:55:06,210
have asked me how I can live in such an

1209
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:07,800
area and you'd be forgiven for thinking

1210
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:09,750
that every day would be a special kind

1211
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:12,480
of hell for someone who values evidence

1212
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,450
above opinion and belief although

1213
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:18,000
alternative therapies are part of what

1214
00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:20,370
the area is renowned for and it's

1215
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:22,350
synonymous in many ways with hippies and

1216
00:55:27,980 --> 00:55:25,380
smoking pot there are also the benefits

1217
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:27,990
of the natural beauty the beaches the

1218
00:55:33,050 --> 00:55:30,420
fresh local produce and yes diversity of

1219
00:55:34,610 --> 00:55:33,060
different lifestyles I mean as far as

1220
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:34,620
I'm concerned people should live however

1221
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:36,750
the heck they want to live as long as

1222
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:39,210
it's not hurting others around them in

1223
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:41,640
fact myself and another member of our

1224
00:55:47,570 --> 00:55:44,610
group the vaccination supporters group

1225
00:55:50,270 --> 00:55:47,580
are appearing right about now my phone's

1226
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:50,280
been pigging like mad in the past 15

1227
00:55:56,180 --> 00:55:53,640
minutes on channel 9 on a show called

1228
00:55:58,190 --> 00:55:56,190
inside story about just just this you'll

1229
00:56:01,100 --> 00:55:58,200
see if you take a look online later

1230
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:01,110
you'll see what I mean and for people

1231
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:03,900
listening to the podcast it's airing on

1232
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:08,130
the 6th of august and yes we are bracing

1233
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:11,160
for the online and in-person onslaught

1234
00:56:15,590 --> 00:56:13,050
by some members of our community as

1235
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:15,600
always happens when we speak out in the

1236
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:20,160
media about vaccination I've had to pick

1237
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:23,700
my battles in my case our groups focus

1238
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:26,040
and priority is on raising vaccination

1239
00:56:30,050 --> 00:56:28,800
rates in our area we use the metaphor

1240
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:30,060
sometimes about

1241
00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:32,850
being a bucket under a dripping tap the

1242
00:56:38,780 --> 00:56:35,430
leaky tap being the constant drip drip

1243
00:56:41,810 --> 00:56:38,790
drip of misinformation we can only catch

1244
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:41,820
the drips so to speak but we need

1245
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:44,490
government legislators and the various

1246
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:48,000
other acronyms to step in and fix the

1247
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:50,700
tap to come down hard on the spread of

1248
00:56:55,070 --> 00:56:52,410
vaccine misinformation by the

1249
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:55,080
professional anti-vaxxers and the

1250
00:57:06,010 --> 00:56:58,260
proponents of supercalifragilistic homeo

1251
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:14,320
oh oh the more the far north coast let's

1252
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:16,190
let's get the clicking going don't don't

1253
00:57:29,470 --> 00:57:23,120
stop the clicking each the miracle magic

1254
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:29,480
you're missing man ah it'll treat you if

1255
00:57:44,890 --> 00:57:37,970
he's only got half a glass of barely

1256
00:58:14,359 --> 00:58:11,599
logis man hi I'm dr. stefan sojka from

1257
00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:14,369
the crown hotel holistic healing chakra

1258
00:58:20,469 --> 00:58:17,460
balancing homeopathic detox liquor and

1259
00:58:23,089 --> 00:58:20,479
gaming institute how can I help you

1260
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:23,099
hello I'm Richard Saunders from the

1261
00:58:28,339 --> 00:58:24,930
skeptic zone podcast I was wondering

1262
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:28,349
could you take a look at my neck I seem

1263
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:30,210
to have a freckle that seems to be well

1264
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:33,089
changing shape recently I think it could

1265
00:58:38,839 --> 00:58:36,690
be melanoma melanoma SH melanoma now

1266
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:38,849
reaching you are talking to a highly

1267
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:40,410
decorated alternative medical

1268
00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:42,420
practitioner here I have a hundred and

1269
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:43,950
fifty two very nicely designed

1270
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:46,140
certificates to my name acquired from

1271
00:58:51,499 --> 00:58:47,609
some of the best virtual healing

1272
00:58:53,299 --> 00:58:51,509
Institute home pages on google+ I can't

1273
00:58:55,219 --> 00:58:53,309
have my patients going all technical on

1274
00:58:57,259 --> 00:58:55,229
me and thinking they can understand the

1275
00:59:00,140 --> 00:58:57,269
way the human embodiment of our eternal

1276
00:59:02,209 --> 00:59:00,150
astral dimension songs function let me

1277
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:02,219
run a few bark flower fragrance charts

1278
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:03,710
to divine your condition and

1279
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:06,089
predetermine the best wellness program

1280
00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:10,710
for you shall I take my shirt off don't

1281
00:59:14,989 --> 00:59:12,809
be ridiculous there's nothing I can't

1282
00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:14,999
diagnose by simply tuning in to your

1283
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:17,579
quantum vibrations and registering any

1284
00:59:24,620 --> 00:59:19,650
subatomic disturbances through my

1285
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:24,630
magnetic Reiki gloves now show me your

1286
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:29,940
third eye no not that one

1287
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:33,850
that's better hmm that's one of the

1288
00:59:37,410 --> 00:59:35,440
worst cases of ectoplasmic

1289
00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:37,420
conjunctivitis I've seen this week I

1290
00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:39,430
mean we're taking any homeopathic

1291
00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:43,720
remedies for this oh no good you don't

1292
00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:47,560
want to hammer it too hard too soon I'd

1293
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:49,240
be coming for something infinitesimally

1294
00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:52,570
less potent than homeopathy here drink

1295
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:54,550
this organic craft beer with a designer

1296
01:00:00,210 --> 00:59:56,950
label from behind a bar and come back to

1297
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:00,220
see me in three months time three months

1298
01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:04,930
later oh hello Richard great to see you

1299
01:00:11,100 --> 01:00:06,940
how's that ectoplasmic conjunctivitis

1300
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:11,110
going I have no idea but I'm really

1301
01:00:15,150 --> 01:00:12,610
starting to get concerned about this

1302
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:15,160
freckle I scratch it the other day and

1303
01:00:20,250 --> 01:00:18,250
it started to bleed oh that's terrible

1304
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:20,260
you really shouldn't scratch yourself

1305
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:22,330
don't you know that itching is your

1306
01:00:26,340 --> 01:00:24,130
body's way of telling you that you

1307
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:26,350
haven't done enough Kundalini uncoiling

1308
01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:30,400
yoga exercises now how's your liver my

1309
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:32,200
liver what's that got to do with

1310
01:00:38,190 --> 01:00:36,250
anything Richard 99.999% of the entire

1311
01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:38,200
world's population suffers from liver

1312
01:00:43,530 --> 01:00:41,140
toxicity I know hard to believe right

1313
01:00:45,980 --> 01:00:43,540
but let me tell you my BMW dealer is

1314
01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:45,990
very happy with those kind of statistics

1315
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,660
you clearly have a sluggish liver look

1316
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,760
at you sitting there all toxic and

1317
01:00:56,490 --> 01:00:54,160
lethargic your irises are all over the

1318
01:00:58,350 --> 01:00:56,500
shop I don't know how you even managed

1319
01:01:01,110 --> 01:00:58,360
to get here without a spirit died and

1320
01:01:02,610 --> 01:01:01,120
the GPS encoded healing crystal I'm

1321
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:02,620
going to put you on an immediate

1322
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:04,690
emergency course of one to three duck

1323
01:01:13,020 --> 01:01:11,050
flush one drink this to swallow that now

1324
01:01:15,860 --> 01:01:13,030
three wait for three days and you'll be

1325
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:15,870
thoroughly cleansed from the inside out

1326
01:01:21,290 --> 01:01:18,790
okay dr. Stefan are you sure about this

1327
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:21,300
I am really worried about my freckle

1328
01:01:29,850 --> 01:01:25,050
freckle schmekel see you in three months

1329
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:29,860
three months later Oh Richard great to

1330
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:31,810
see you again hey thanks for paying all

1331
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:34,960
my invoices how can I help you another

1332
01:01:38,099 --> 01:01:37,690
liver detox can I interest you in an ear

1333
01:01:40,140 --> 01:01:38,109
can

1334
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:40,150
impasse perhaps a drain I'll give your

1335
01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:43,650
pineal gland how about a foot massage

1336
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:47,140
yes but doctor it's my freckle it's

1337
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:49,359
really out of control it's bleeding

1338
01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:51,609
continuously it's granted the size of a

1339
01:01:57,359 --> 01:01:54,190
prune and I'm starting to feel great

1340
01:02:00,569 --> 01:01:57,369
lumps in my armpits Richard have you

1341
01:02:05,579 --> 01:02:00,579
been vaccinated yes of course I thought

1342
01:02:08,130 --> 01:02:05,589
so typical you're clearly autistic now

1343
01:02:10,259 --> 01:02:08,140
sit still i'm going to try to stem the

1344
01:02:14,249 --> 01:02:10,269
bleeding it looks like you've punctured

1345
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:14,259
your aura now with a combination of raki

1346
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:17,170
and punjabi shaman chanting I'll see

1347
01:02:25,499 --> 01:02:22,690
what I can do oh the stun nava shut up

1348
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:25,509
Latonya including pull the brush cachaca

1349
01:02:35,729 --> 01:02:31,890
ah how's that did you feel anything no

1350
01:02:37,229 --> 01:02:35,739
good now take these to prayer rugs and

1351
01:02:42,779 --> 01:02:37,239
come back to see me in three months time

1352
01:02:44,279 --> 01:02:42,789
Oh three months later Richard oh great

1353
01:02:48,059 --> 01:02:44,289
to see you how are you getting along

1354
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:48,069
there I feel terrible I think might be

1355
01:02:53,849 --> 01:02:50,799
melanoma I think it's metastasizing my

1356
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:53,859
bones lungs spleen pancreas and liver I

1357
01:02:58,579 --> 01:02:55,690
don't think I've got long to live

1358
01:03:02,430 --> 01:02:58,589
unfortunately but thanks for asking

1359
01:03:04,529 --> 01:03:02,440
excellent look when the spirits call you

1360
01:03:06,569 --> 01:03:04,539
back they call you back that's all I can

1361
01:03:08,970 --> 01:03:06,579
say I can't say I didn't throw

1362
01:03:11,460 --> 01:03:08,980
everything I had at you you've not been

1363
01:03:13,890 --> 01:03:11,470
the easiest of patients either if I may

1364
01:03:16,349 --> 01:03:13,900
be so rude I believe I detected a hint

1365
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,359
of skepticism in you ever since you

1366
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:18,480
started coming to my wellness institute

1367
01:03:26,190 --> 01:03:21,730
okay i'm going to try one last treatment

1368
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:26,200
here hold this what is it it's a life

1369
01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:30,160
wire healing one but not just any life

1370
01:03:34,859 --> 01:03:32,470
wire this one has been infused with

1371
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:34,869
three times as many Higgs boson

1372
01:03:38,099 --> 01:03:35,890
particles

1373
01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:38,109
then any other life why in my collection

1374
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:41,260
I have them added at the small hadron

1375
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:46,210
collider downstairs in yourself now i

1376
01:03:51,950 --> 01:03:49,930
will also attend some micro reiki using

1377
01:03:54,839 --> 01:03:51,960
my carbon nanotubes and graphene

1378
01:03:57,390 --> 01:03:54,849
magnetic reiki gloves i'm going to

1379
01:03:59,460 --> 01:03:57,400
attempt to re-encode your DNA molecules

1380
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,470
are then unfold and refold your

1381
01:04:07,799 --> 01:04:01,839
offending proteins much like a fitted

1382
01:04:09,779 --> 01:04:07,809
bedsheet only a lot smaller and done I

1383
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:09,789
don't think you need to see me ever

1384
01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:15,609
again three months later hmmm what had

1385
01:04:20,279 --> 01:04:17,260
that patient of mine wait what's his

1386
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:20,289
name didn't even call the think me after

1387
01:04:25,410 --> 01:04:22,480
all I did for you I guess he must have

1388
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:25,420
crossed over hmm I think I'll try and

1389
01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:28,200
contact him what's his name again and

1390
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:34,200
getting an hour getting it i rub Robert

1391
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:40,210
Redmond r it Richard Richard Richard are

1392
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:45,730
you here yes I'm here do you have any

1393
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:47,680
messages for your friends and family

1394
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:51,039
back here on earth hello friends and

1395
01:04:56,430 --> 01:04:52,720
family I'm right here dr. Stefan I'm

1396
01:04:59,730 --> 01:04:56,440
alive oh great Archangel Gabriel it's a

1397
01:05:02,130 --> 01:04:59,740
miracle he's alive actually no I gave up

1398
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:02,140
and went to see a skin specialist he put

1399
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:04,089
me on a course of chemotherapy and be

1400
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:06,490
rough inhibitors and I'm totally in

1401
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:10,450
remission Helen oh yeah ah yes another

1402
01:05:15,809 --> 01:05:12,730
success story for me thank you Richard

1403
01:05:17,970 --> 01:05:15,819
ah I'm sure you won't mind if i use you

1404
01:05:20,249 --> 01:05:17,980
as a testimonial as i'm presenting your

1405
01:05:23,069 --> 01:05:20,259
case in alton at an alternative healing

1406
01:05:28,859 --> 01:05:23,079
conference in Las Vegas next week it's

1407
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:28,869
called sham 15 yes I do mind great thank

1408
01:05:34,650 --> 01:05:32,170
you much appreciated oh it feels so good

1409
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:34,660
to be so good I think it's time for

1410
01:05:46,140 --> 01:05:42,400
another song some see my title doctor is

1411
01:05:57,490 --> 01:05:50,160
I got anecdotal evidence that I killed

1412
01:06:01,240 --> 01:05:57,500
melanoma mom psychological the Sigmund

1413
01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:01,250
Freud more sway Cadel like then Pink

1414
01:06:17,140 --> 01:06:04,220
Floyd shut up but let me take your money

1415
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:17,150
I'm I'll thank you dr. Stefan so I come

1416
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:19,910
back dr. Stefan Saiga well folks that

1417
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:22,490
just about wraps up the live skeptic

1418
01:06:27,820 --> 01:06:24,530
zone but we do have some time Maynard

1419
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:27,830
embedded in the audience well was there

1420
01:06:30,910 --> 01:06:29,450
the go the free jump at the back is now

1421
01:06:32,740 --> 01:06:30,920
obviously looking up some porn on the

1422
01:06:38,350 --> 01:06:32,750
computer there did you have a question

1423
01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:38,360
that you want Hank hanging him in he's

1424
01:06:42,910 --> 01:06:41,150
been investigated this young Oh Ashley

1425
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:42,920
Madison yes yea sorry I'm putting a

1426
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:44,210
border leave request for my daughter for

1427
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:45,710
the weekend sorry cuz she just told me I

1428
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:49,970
was late what but but but the question

1429
01:06:59,920 --> 01:06:51,770
to Joe and I tweeted it to her she

1430
01:07:05,760 --> 01:06:59,930
didn't say orgasmatron III need

1431
01:07:14,790 --> 01:07:12,940
orgasmatron thank you and that's the

1432
01:07:19,660 --> 01:07:14,800
caliber of the questions we get to know

1433
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:19,670
I think we're gonna leave all the girls

1434
01:07:23,620 --> 01:07:22,490
behind you there God someone even

1435
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:23,630
further up the back I don't think it was

1436
01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:27,830
possible yeah so it's kenny everett no

1437
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:31,910
i'm not so haven't having seen the skit

1438
01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:34,910
I have a question are all the money

1439
01:07:39,820 --> 01:07:37,790
bought sorry mind-body water festival

1440
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:39,830
interviews like that too are all

1441
01:07:44,290 --> 01:07:41,690
avoiding long as that sounds like this

1442
01:07:46,420 --> 01:07:44,300
are they all sketches as well or is are

1443
01:07:48,820 --> 01:07:46,430
they all my body what they've seemed

1444
01:07:50,650 --> 01:07:48,830
like all sketches they sound the stuff

1445
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:50,660
that Stefan Soyka was doing is mild

1446
01:07:53,009 --> 01:07:52,310
compared to some of the things we see it

1447
01:07:54,479 --> 01:07:53,019
mind body

1448
01:07:55,739 --> 01:07:54,489
I can promise you that and actually

1449
01:07:58,380 --> 01:07:55,749
Stephanie would like to know how much

1450
01:08:00,389 --> 01:07:58,390
that was you making up those those words

1451
01:08:03,539 --> 01:08:00,399
salads and how much was it stuff you got

1452
01:08:07,999 --> 01:08:03,549
off it natural therapy now I'm a fully

1453
01:08:12,839 --> 01:08:10,589
I'm skeptical i don't think you

1454
01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:12,849
mentioned orgone energy once in your

1455
01:08:24,990 --> 01:08:21,180
that's because the FDA I sought you out

1456
01:08:27,149 --> 01:08:25,000
clearly your Big Show a big shot for big

1457
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:27,159
problem yeah no no I can't talk about

1458
01:08:31,529 --> 01:08:29,170
that as a court case in D so I'm sorry

1459
01:08:33,450 --> 01:08:31,539
about it now main island we've come to

1460
01:08:36,539 --> 01:08:33,460
the end of the show do we have a winner

1461
01:08:39,149 --> 01:08:36,549
maybe for the cosmos DVD or clearly this

1462
01:08:41,129 --> 01:08:39,159
guy here alright who was not looking at

1463
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:41,139
porn but in fact making time for his

1464
01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:43,089
daughter live here while we were

1465
01:08:47,069 --> 01:08:45,460
recording the skeptic zone so what great

1466
01:08:48,930 --> 01:08:47,079
family doing for him he's daughter

1467
01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:48,940
anywhere else in the family who has a

1468
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,809
day off ci sir enjoy it now say thank

1469
01:08:59,700 --> 01:08:54,880
you thank you may not and thank you

1470
01:09:08,129 --> 01:08:59,710
skeptics I'm so Iran and may not come up

1471
01:09:09,509 --> 01:09:08,139
the front Heidi and Jove hey thank you

1472
01:09:11,129 --> 01:09:09,519
everybody for coming along to the

1473
01:09:12,930 --> 01:09:11,139
skeptic zone live it's the first live

1474
01:09:20,129 --> 01:09:12,940
one we've done in about five years hope

1475
01:09:21,299 --> 01:09:20,139
we can do some more soon and for those

1476
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:21,309
of you at home where mugging for

1477
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,690
photographs at the moment and well I

1478
01:09:29,879 --> 01:09:27,279
didn't run downstairs to get anything

1479
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,889
this week oh I'll have to now the show's

1480
01:09:33,569 --> 01:09:31,839
over i can run outside and get a pub me

1481
01:09:36,329 --> 01:09:33,579
but in run downstairs and spin is

1482
01:09:38,939 --> 01:09:36,339
entirely being the VIP poker room i am

1483
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:38,949
eating cheese and crackers but for this

1484
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:40,449
week this is Richard Saunders in the

1485
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:52,829
you've been listening to the skeptics

1486
01:09:59,520 --> 01:09:56,590
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1487
01:10:02,940 --> 01:09:59,530
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1488
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:02,950
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1489
01:10:07,550 --> 01:10:05,650
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1490
01:10:10,740 --> 01:10:07,560
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01:10:16,530 --> 01:10:14,380
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1496
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1497
01:10:28,650 --> 01:10:26,560
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